Anti Twilight Thread

[B0B]

Originally Posted by DarkMaster24

Fair points, Bifrost - But what I was talking about is the blatant hypocrisy of the anti-Twilight crowd.

Can I ask who exactly is being a hypocrite here? Like who are you targeting, this thread? Or are you going for the usual mass generalization by targeting everyone who like The Dark Knight over Twilight?

Originally Posted by DarkMaster24

When females dress up as their favorite Twilight characters it's viewed as stupid, but when Dark Knight fans dress up as Batman it's ok.

...Er, not really? See the problem is you're viewing it through the eyes of only "anti-twilight" people. To Twilight fans dressing up is fine whereas seeing someone dressing up as Batman is stupid. Not to mention the general public thinks either both are lame, or don't care. So I don't see your point there.

Originally Posted by DarkMaster24

The Dark Knight fans are just as annoying as the Twilight crowd if not more.

Can I ask how? I mean really, fandom is a personal thing here and whichever's crazier has to do with the individuals and rarely the product.

Originally Posted by DarkMaster24

I've never understood why our society is so hypocritical when it comes to these things but it does reveal a prejudiced many people have towards women.

Yay! Another "this has been a message showing the wrongs society has done against women" point! Now let me explain why your particular point in this instance doesn't fly.

1: You're assuming that everyone who hates Twilight hates it because its for women. Thats incredibly presumptuous, and while it could apply for certain people, its just a bad assumption. I'd say a lot of people hate Twilight because they find its written and acted poorly.

2: Of all movies to go up against Twilight you pick The Dark Knight. A movie that has been well taken in by just about everyone. At the very goddamn least pick something as ineptly written and acted as Twilight.

Originally Posted by DarkMaster24

As for The Dark Knight's so called "greatness", it's awfully overrated. I'd expect more from the standing of Chris Nolan.

As everyone has pointed out, that's your opinion. Considering the movie has been well accepted by both critics and audiences, I'd wager it does have higher ground than Twilight.

[Bifrost]

Originally Posted by DarkMaster24

Fair points, Bifrost - But what I was talking about is the blatant hypocrisy of the anti-Twilight crowd. When females dress up as their favorite Twilight characters it's viewed as stupid, but when Dark Knight fans dress up as Batman it's ok. The Dark Knight fans are just as annoying as the Twilight crowd if not more. I've never understood why our society is so hypocritical when it comes to these things but it does reveal a prejudiced many people have towards women. Basically, it perplexes me that Twilight fan girls are marked as annoying fucks but then the Batman fan boys don't, despite all the stupid things they do.

I'll admit that The Dark Knight is a better film than Eclipse (it's the only Twilight movie I've seen, so I can't judge the rest) but the only aspect of the movie that makes it worthwhile is The Joker. Apart from Ledger's brilliant performance, Dark Knight is severely lacking in substance, and it's marketed as a Batman movie, but relies heavily on the Joker. I also think tht because the Twilight films are very loyal to the books that it prevents the movies from reaching a higher level of entertainment, but seeing as the target audience is to the fans, you can't really whine about that.

As for The Dark Knight's so called "greatness", it's awfully overrated. I'd expect more from the standing of Chris Nolan.

First, Whatever BOB wrote I agree with, that was a brilliant post.

I'm a girl. Actually a very girly girl, but I've loved Batman since before I can remember. I also love action, uneccessary violence and dressing up in batman gear. Did my sex suddenly change? I don't like you saying society is predjudice towards women, when the only one who is is you. You're the one saying women like certain things, you're the one saying Twilight fans are women. You said yourself Dark Knight is better than Twilight, therefore, you're saying men have better taste than women, because only men like Batman and only women like Twilight. I believe that you are the most hypocritical person to write in this thread yet. The previous posts here have been made by people who generally dislike the movie, you dislike it, call the fans girls and say even the book is bad (you said it's a bad movie because it's loyal to the book) AND still you're telling the rest of the people here that they are the ones doing something wrong. It just doesn't make sense.
And just so you know, it's nerdy dressing up as anyone. It doesn't matter if I dress like Bella or Batman, it will still be very uncool to most people.

As for Batman, I'm going to assume you're not a Batman fan, Batman isn't about batman much at all, the villains is what keeps it going. Without the villains, no need for a Batman, right? What do you think they should have done? Named the film Joker? For example, the (very very lovely) graphic novel "The Killing Joke" is still a Batman comic. The Joker is a part of the Batman universe. That's really not a reason to dislike the movie. But you are free to dislike and trash the dark knight as much as you want, that is so very much not my problem, just like I'm sure Twilight fans don't give a crap about if someone trashes their movie or book. You should start an anti-dark knight thread and then we can post funny Batman related pictures.

Unlike you, I've seen all Twilight movies, and I don't dislike them, they are entertaining and I can see how they are appealing. However, I think they are pretty bad movies, and I think the best part about them is how fun you'll have afterwards coming up with jokes about it. I like the Twilight fans, I will laugh when theyre doing something weird (just as I laugh at trekkies even though I love star trek), but I don't disrespect them. You shouldn't do that either.

[B0B]

^

Epic post there.

Oh, and hooray for Batman!

[Claireofthemoon]

Well said Bifrost.

[JohnBoy1313]

wow, a lot of ruckus in this thread.

and I agree hooray for batman indeed

[DarkMaster24]

Originally Posted by Bifrost

I don't like you saying society is predjudice towards women, when the only one who is is you. You're the one saying women like certain things, you're the one saying Twilight fans are women. You said yourself Dark Knight is better than Twilight, therefore, you're saying men have better taste than women, because only men like Batman and only women like Twilight.

I haven't said anything that would at all be considered as prejudiced against women, unless the reader egregiously misread my posts, much like you just did here. Where did I say that the only base of Twilight is women? I didn't say that, but you seem to be more interested in lobbing accusations than actual debate, so it's no surprise that you'd outright lie. Seriously, do you even read my posts? Because a lot of your arguments show a severe misunderstanding to everything I said - For one thing, how the heck can you infer that just because I think ONE movie --The Dark Knight-- is better than Twilight that I'm insinuating that men have superior tastes? I'm sure that your incorrect inference falls under the category of illogical fallacy -The fact that you didn't understand my sentences is your fault, not mine. Again, I didn't say that ALL Twilight fans are women, did I? But the majority is and it's pretty obvious that the target audience is women, just as the primary audience of The Dark Knight is fanboys of Batman, which happen to be mostly men. Additionally, I've offered reasons as to why Twilight's generally more appealing to women than it is to men - Did you even read that?

I believe that you are the most hypocritical person to write in this thread yet.

Ad Hominem arguments add nothing meaningful to a debate, so take this folly elsewhere.

The previous posts here have been made by people who generally dislike the movie, you dislike it, call the fans girls and say even the book is bad (you said it's a bad movie because it's loyal to the book) AND still you're telling the rest of the people here that they are the ones doing something wrong. It just doesn't make sense.

More of the same false conclusions-- Instead of ranting on and on with these fallacies, why not try to actually grasp the meaning of what I'm saying? Gosh! Ahhh, man--Just because I said the movie's are too focused on the books, it doesn't mean I'm calling the books bad-Admittedly, all I was saying there is the book-to-script format usually doesn't work out to well for films--IE, read a text in a book, then try acting it out for a movie rather than the more concise scripts that movies are based. But in Twilight's case, Stephenie Meyer and her fan base objected to that, so much of the script was too centered around the text. So basically, it's like reading a text in your mind, then reading it aloud and realzing how clunky it sounds when you're reciting it. For instance, my die hard Twilight friend thought that the characters seemed more attractive in the books than the movie.

As for Batman, I'm going to assume you're not a Batman fan, Batman isn't about batman much at all, the villains is what keeps it going. Without the villains, no need for a Batman, right? What do you think they should have done? Named the film Joker? For example, the (very very lovely) graphic novel "The Killing Joke" is still a Batman comic. The Joker is a part of the Batman universe. That's really not a reason to dislike the movie. But you are free to dislike and trash the dark knight as much as you want, that is so very much not my problem, just like I'm sure Twilight fans don't give a crap about if someone trashes their movie or book. You should start an anti-dark knight thread and then we can post funny Batman related pictures.

Your assumption is false - Ever since I was a kid, I've been a Batman fan, although not to the extent to consider myself a fangirl. But now to sink your argument, I'll state that the Dark Knight was only enjoyable whenever Heath Ledger was on screen - No one would've called it a wonderful film without his performance. Besides, The Joker's only about half the movie...Excluding The Joker, every other actor played their roles regularly, but all The Dark Knight is is an average movie with an excellent performance by Heath Ledger. Seriously, how can the movie be great when the movie's supposed to be about Batman and Christian Bale only delivered a mediocre performance?

[DarkMaster24]

@Bob - I'll get to your rebuttal soon - I'm a little pressed for time, but it'll appear eventually.

[flyboy51]

Originally Posted by DarkMaster24

Excluding The Joker, every other actor played their roles regularly, but all The Dark Knight is is an average movie with an excellent performance by Heath Ledger. Seriously, how can the movie be great when the movie's supposed to be about Batman and Christian Bale only delivered a mediocre performance?

I strongly disagree with you there. (i'm putting aside my overwhelmingly biased feelings toward Dark Knight for this btw). Aside from Ledgers amazing job, you aren't giving anyone else a fair shake here. Bale was playing the character-he appears "mediocre" because Bruce Wayne/Batman just isnt a dramatic person and not such an entertaining psychopath like the Joker. He's calculating, logical, and very serious. As bifrost said, the villains bring most of the entertainment value. Aaron Eckhart, in my opinion, did just as well as Ledger and Bale did and i dont think people give him enough credit for his role. Gary Oldman, Michael Caine, Morgan Freeman, and Maggie Gyllenhall all did fantastic jobs, given their parts as each of their roles were much smaller than the other three's. And the film's score by Hans Zimmer was electrifying and kept you on edge and thrilled in the best scenes-which were equally as fun to watch. Without Ledger the film definitely wouldnt be as good, but it would still be GREAT anways.

[B0B]

Darkmaster, I just have to ask, do you honestly believe that girls deserve Twilight? Really? Do you believe they deserve the hammy acting, laughable plot, shallow characters, and completely bullshit love between the two main "characters"? I'd think if you were a hardcore feminist you'd fight for wanting girls to read or watch things far more intelligent, instead of settling for this.

Then to top it off, you're calling anyone who dislikes Twilight because its specifically for girls a hypocrite when they like rave about The Dark Knight; as though both movies are even in the same league. I'd say Twilight were more in line with Batman Forever leaning on Batman and Robin. And I assure you, not many were ecstatic about those.

[Bifrost]

Originally Posted by B0B

I'd say Twilight were more in line with Batman Forever leaning on Batman and Robin. And I assure you, not many were ecstatic about those.

Omg that made me laugh so hard I almost peed myself. I actually do feel exactly the same about B&R as I do for Twilight, I hadn't thought about that before. Very entertaining but not very good. Also, "Your heart will freeze and beat no more" is such an Edward thing to say.

Originally Posted by DarkMaster24

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Ok wow that's alot you wrote there DM. You ask me if I even read your posts, and to be honest, sometimes I don't even think you read your posts.
Also, I will not talk about Batman any more, because that doesn't really have anything to do with Twilight. (I will only say I think Christian Bale is one of the best actors in the world. Don't argue this DM, this is my opinion, it will not change and I don't care what you think)

That said, yes I will admit this. I have no idea what you're talking about. But since, according to you, I didn't understand anything you wrote in your post, and apparently I was wrong thinking you wrote all the things you did. Maybe I'm not the problem, maybe you should try explaining things better before just throwing out random outrageous jibberish.
I will not comment on what you wrote because I probably didn't understand it, right?

But, I will say I think people (oh, not you) who pretend to defend something but really only trash it, and people who are predjudice when they seem to think that they're the total opposite, are very much hypocrites.
And I think people who can't appreciate a good twilight joke shouldn't even read a Anti-Twilight thread. I mean, come on, this is funny: