Originally Posted by Grindslave
cha.. I prefer live debate as well.. it's funny when people are faced with facts to answer too whilst holding a book with so many contradictions, logical fallicies, and outright false on geographic history, it should be embarassing to call it "truth".
not to mention, i get bill o'reilly answers constantly.. my favorite common question when someone finds out I'm a Secular Humanist is: "If you don't believe in god, what DO you believe in?" I like to give the common answer stolen from Daniel Dennett, "Tables... chairs..."
Well having the fundamentalist upbringing I had I have a lot of family members asking how I can "believe in nothing." Even though I've given multiple answers to that question. They've also been leaving small creationist literature from the 1950's in my room. My favourite was "Evolution: Fact or Fiction?" because as wrong as it turned out in retrospect, and the just plain old flaws# in presentation#2 it was still more progressive than a lot of fundamentalists today.
#The section on vestigial organs in particular, which kinda missed the point of what they are, but rather failed to provide any true proof for their substantial use, falling back on "hey, we don't know it has any real use but we'll assume god put it there for some reason." To which I can only really note that maybe he did it to cause us all the inordinate pain of appendicitis or getting our wisdom teeth removed.
#2Arguing that we can't go by appearance to judge if something evolved because appearances prove nothing, then in the next paragraph explaining how 2 particular animals in their example don't look alike so saying they evolved is wrong.
Originally Posted by wayno007
Not me, I've always preferred an online forum to a live debate. I've never been any good at the latter -- the introvert in me, I suppose. I'd much rather gather my thoughts and provide decent references when debunking perceived contradictions and "logical" fallacies.
While I can understand the uses of it, when it comes to this specific topic I've come to the conclusion that it gets no where and tends to serve only as a way to get people upset. I prefer face to face with the christian friends I have. If not to make them lose their faith, at least help them realize there are ways to interpret the bible that are far more sensible than the "oh god created everything in exactly 6 days as we understand days".